Weapon Requirement Formula? - Guild Wars Forums

Destinyy · Jun 05, 2007, 01:31 PM // 13:31

A newb guildie of mine asked me this the other day and I could not answer it...

I know that the lower the req the better and the more of the weapons potential is realised, but can anyone actually give the formula for how it effects damage output?

Much obliged!!!

KANE OG · Jun 05, 2007, 01:42 PM // 13:42

Here you go: http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Damage_calculation

Wiki is your friend.

KANE

Kakumei · Jun 05, 2007, 01:54 PM // 13:54

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Originally Posted by Destinyy

I know that the lower the req the better and the more of the weapons potential is realised

You "know" wrong. Req itself does not affect the damage output of a weapon--you either meet it, or you don't. If you have 12 Swordsmanship, you will do the exact same damage with a req 8 sword or a req 12.

Sk8tborderx · Jun 05, 2007, 02:01 PM // 14:01

I have yet to read anything where lower req actually improves damage, people just want lower req weapons because they are more rare than higher req weapons.

Orange Milk · Jun 05, 2007, 02:06 PM // 14:06

Linked Attributre Requirment from Wiki:

Linked Attribute
Generally every player can equip any weapon. However, mid to high end weapons all have an attribute requirement for their primary stat. If the character's rank in the required attribute is not high enough, one of two stats can be used:

If the weapon is a collectors, crafter, quest reward, or unique weapon, then the stat used is the one for a starter weapon of the same type.
If the weapon is a dropped item, then the stat used is half of the current stat. For example, a max 6-28 axe will have a damage range of 3-14 when you do not meet requirements.
Certain attributes also increases damage dealt using specific types of weapons as their inherent effect

Destinyy · Jun 05, 2007, 02:08 PM // 14:08

I just briefely went over that wiki post and I couldn't see anything to do with it using weapon requirement in the damage calculation??? I didn't look well enough as I am at work, I will have a good read at home tho. Thanks Kane.

Kakumei, I think I am right dude... Why is it that when I give my lvl 3 War, with 3 sword mastery, a req9 sword he does not put big numbers up? He only hits for like 5-8 damage. It's only later when he meets the req9 that his damage wonders into the 30's.

Kakumei · Jun 05, 2007, 02:10 PM // 14:10

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Originally Posted by Destinyy

Kakumei, I think I am right dude... Why is it that when I give my lvl 3 War, with 3 sword mastery, a req9 sword he does not put big numbers up? He only hits for like 5-8 damage. It's only later when he meets the req9 that his damage wonders into the 30's.

You should actually go back and read my post because it's apparent you failed at doing so.

Destinyy · Jun 05, 2007, 02:16 PM // 14:16

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Originally Posted by Orange Milk

Linked Attributre Requirment from Wiki:

Linked Attribute
Generally every player can equip any weapon. However, mid to high end weapons all have an attribute requirement for their primary stat. If the character's rank in the required attribute is not high enough, one of two stats can be used:

If the weapon is a collectors, crafter, quest reward, or unique weapon, then the stat used is the one for a starter weapon of the same type.
If the weapon is a dropped item, then the stat used is half of the current stat. For example, a max 6-28 axe will have a damage range of 3-14 when you do not meet requirements.
Certain attributes also increases damage dealt using specific types of weapons as their inherent effect

THAT is what i was looking for!!! Thank you Orange Milk!!!

So what is all the fuss about low req weapons then???

Destinyy · Jun 05, 2007, 02:22 PM // 14:22

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Originally Posted by Kakumei

You should actually go back and read my post because it's apparent you failed at doing so.

It doesn't matter anyway, you never answered my question really... It's resolved now tho... thanks...

I'm still keen to know what the fuss about low req weapons is tho, if lower req weapons have no bonus over high req weapons, then why all the fuss about them?

Razorwood · Jun 05, 2007, 02:22 PM // 14:22

They're are simply rarer and if you choice to you can spec less points in that attribute.

makosi · Jun 05, 2007, 02:42 PM // 14:42

Low requirements (~7-9) are only valuable because of high demand due to vanity as they are rarer drops. Req.7 Tactics shields aren't always about vanity but they are ideal for Mo/W builds in GvG because they recieve the full 16 armour instead of 8.

It was once thought, a long time ago, that lower requirements meant that the liklihood of producing critical hits would increase. This turned out to be nonsense.

Dead of Night · Jun 05, 2007, 03:03 PM // 15:03

It's not only about vanity. Although for many it is.

A max dmg sword with a low swordsmanship requirement, say of 7, has distinct advantages over a sword with a requirement of 12. As it allows you spend your vaulable points on other attributes such as strength/command/leadership, etc. etc. which will give increase benefits on these.

HawkofStorms · Jun 05, 2007, 03:43 PM // 15:43

Not true Dead of Night, since you don't reach max damage until you reach a 12 in your attributes, regardless of requirement.

Anyway, any good warrior, sin, or ranger should have 14-16 in their weapon anyway.

Thomas.knbk · Jun 05, 2007, 06:13 PM // 18:13

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

Anyway, any good warrior, sin, or ranger should have 14-16 in their weapon anyway.

In PvP, yes. No question. (exept maybe those steady stance/fear me warriors who tend to have 12-13 axe and 14 tactics), but in PvE I can really see some use for it in tank-like builds. Though you might as well just use a req. 9 weapon because with 7 in your weapon mastry your damage will suck no matter what.

KlutzySpy · Jun 05, 2007, 07:26 PM // 19:26

What i wonder is; does the req on a staff only have something to do with dmg? or also energy?

can my necro equip a fire req staff and feel no difference, unless he fires?

HawkofStorms · Jun 05, 2007, 07:48 PM // 19:48

To answer your question KlutzySpy, yes the req on a staff only effects wanding damage. So in a pinch, your necro can use a fire staff with little penalty even if he doesn't meet the req 9 in fire magic. You'll still get the energy and the halve cast/recharge bonuses. Thus why non casters like trapper rangers often use staves for the unconidtional +15 energy (or +20 with a hale and hearty).

Destinyy · Jun 06, 2007, 06:54 AM // 06:54

DAYUM guys,

Thanks for all the amazing input on this subject!!!

Very cool... I am so much better informed now and will certainly link my buddy to this thread...

Every time i lag · Jun 06, 2007, 07:23 AM // 07:23

thnx needed this to =)

Jun 05, 2007, 01:31 PM // 13:31	#1
Destinyy Banned Join Date: Mar 2007 Guild: Faction of War [ARES]	Weapon Requirement Formula? A newb guildie of mine asked me this the other day and I could not answer it... I know that the lower the req the better and the more of the weapons potential is realised, but can anyone actually give the formula for how it effects damage output? Much obliged!!!

Jun 05, 2007, 01:42 PM // 13:42	#2
KANE OG Banned Join Date: Oct 2005 Guild: Ogmios Graybeards Profession: W/	Here you go: http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Damage_calculation Wiki is your friend. KANE

Jun 05, 2007, 02:01 PM // 14:01	#4
Sk8tborderx Jungle Guide Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: PA Guild: Us Are Not [leet] Profession: W/	I have yet to read anything where lower req actually improves damage, people just want lower req weapons because they are more rare than higher req weapons.

Jun 05, 2007, 02:06 PM // 14:06	#5
Orange Milk Desert Nomad Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Ganking, USA Guild: Retired Profession: R/	Linked Attributre Requirment from Wiki: Linked Attribute Generally every player can equip any weapon. However, mid to high end weapons all have an attribute requirement for their primary stat. If the character's rank in the required attribute is not high enough, one of two stats can be used: If the weapon is a collectors, crafter, quest reward, or unique weapon, then the stat used is the one for a starter weapon of the same type. If the weapon is a dropped item, then the stat used is half of the current stat. For example, a max 6-28 axe will have a damage range of 3-14 when you do not meet requirements. Certain attributes also increases damage dealt using specific types of weapons as their inherent effect

Jun 05, 2007, 02:08 PM // 14:08	#6
Destinyy Banned Join Date: Mar 2007 Guild: Faction of War [ARES]	I just briefely went over that wiki post and I couldn't see anything to do with it using weapon requirement in the damage calculation??? I didn't look well enough as I am at work, I will have a good read at home tho. Thanks Kane. Kakumei, I think I am right dude... Why is it that when I give my lvl 3 War, with 3 sword mastery, a req9 sword he does not put big numbers up? He only hits for like 5-8 damage. It's only later when he meets the req9 that his damage wonders into the 30's.

Jun 05, 2007, 02:22 PM // 14:22	#10
Razorwood Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: May 2005 Location: Newcastle (Ish) Guild: Xcoh Profession: N/	They're are simply rarer and if you choice to you can spec less points in that attribute.

Jun 05, 2007, 02:42 PM // 14:42	#11
makosi Grotto Attendant Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: "Pre-nerf" is incorrect. It's pre-buff. Guild: Requirement Begins With R [notQ] Profession: Me/	Low requirements (~7-9) are only valuable because of high demand due to vanity as they are rarer drops. Req.7 Tactics shields aren't always about vanity but they are ideal for Mo/W builds in GvG because they recieve the full 16 armour instead of 8. It was once thought, a long time ago, that lower requirements meant that the liklihood of producing critical hits would increase. This turned out to be nonsense.

Jun 05, 2007, 03:03 PM // 15:03	#12
Dead of Night Academy Page Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: past midnight Guild: none Profession: N/	It's not only about vanity. Although for many it is. A max dmg sword with a low swordsmanship requirement, say of 7, has distinct advantages over a sword with a requirement of 12. As it allows you spend your vaulable points on other attributes such as strength/command/leadership, etc. etc. which will give increase benefits on these.

Jun 05, 2007, 03:43 PM // 15:43	#13
HawkofStorms Hall Hero Join Date: Aug 2005 Profession: E/	Not true Dead of Night, since you don't reach max damage until you reach a 12 in your attributes, regardless of requirement. Anyway, any good warrior, sin, or ranger should have 14-16 in their weapon anyway.

Jun 05, 2007, 07:26 PM // 19:26	#15
KlutzySpy Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Denmark Guild: Venatus Una Profession: N/Rt	What i wonder is; does the req on a staff only have something to do with dmg? or also energy? can my necro equip a fire req staff and feel no difference, unless he fires?

Jun 05, 2007, 07:48 PM // 19:48	#16
HawkofStorms Hall Hero Join Date: Aug 2005 Profession: E/	To answer your question KlutzySpy, yes the req on a staff only effects wanding damage. So in a pinch, your necro can use a fire staff with little penalty even if he doesn't meet the req 9 in fire magic. You'll still get the energy and the halve cast/recharge bonuses. Thus why non casters like trapper rangers often use staves for the unconidtional +15 energy (or +20 with a hale and hearty).

Jun 06, 2007, 06:54 AM // 06:54	#17
Destinyy Banned Join Date: Mar 2007 Guild: Faction of War [ARES]	DAYUM guys, Thanks for all the amazing input on this subject!!! Very cool... I am so much better informed now and will certainly link my buddy to this thread...

Jun 06, 2007, 07:23 AM // 07:23	#18
Every time i lag Banned Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Belgium Guild: Murder Death Sadists Of Doom [MDSD] Profession: E/Me	thnx needed this to =)